tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post924784617891030483..comments2024-03-28T19:47:39.985-04:00Comments on CURMUDGUCATION: Ineffective ForeverPeter Greenehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16511193640285760299noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-69377566550297700592015-01-22T06:19:19.234-05:002015-01-22T06:19:19.234-05:00My point is that as long as we use a messed-up tes...My point is that as long as we use a messed-up test-based teacher evaluation, being put in those low performing classrooms will be a punishment. There are certainly rich rewarding challenges to be had in those classrooms, but if the evaluation system for the teacher is pre-occupied with test results, the rest won't matter-- the teacher will be low-rated, and in places, out of a job.<br /><br />I have no particular set of standards in mind, though I have laid out my own proposal for how to do teacher evaluation elsewhere on the blog-- http://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2014/04/how-to-do-real-teacher-evaluation.htmlPeter Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16511193640285760299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-68690615316480588582015-01-21T22:19:02.335-05:002015-01-21T22:19:02.335-05:00I'm sorry but where you say "teacher who ...I'm sorry but where you say "teacher who has the misfortune to find himself in the low-performing classroom" are you not perpetuating quite a considerable inequity issue in education? We should be highlighting the rich/rewarding opportunities and encouraging teachers to tackle challenges rather than perceiving these schools as a 'punishment'.<br />Out of professional interest, do you have a particular set of professional standards in mind that helps set the bar? Are these set by the system, the state, the department?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-10162886476961213332014-06-16T21:39:58.050-04:002014-06-16T21:39:58.050-04:00Not sure where you got the notion that I believe a...Not sure where you got the notion that I believe all teachers are effective. But if your goal is to find the ineffective ones, wouldn't you prefer to use a system that actually does so, rather than a system that punishes any teacher who has the misfortune to find himself in the low-performing classroom? I agree that teachers want to get rid of the bad apples, but what in the currently proposed systems actually does that? I'm going to go with nothing.<br /><br />Setting a bar in a meaningful way to meet useful standards would be a fine thing (and we already have lots of well-paid administrators in place to do that). But what is being repeatedly proposed is not raising the bar, but simply swinging it around blindly and with every random hit hollering out, "Look! There's another bad teacher." That does not reward, compensate, nor encourage anybody.<br /><br />Peter Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16511193640285760299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-12154182666692856552014-06-16T16:11:26.039-04:002014-06-16T16:11:26.039-04:00Seems Peter Greene is engaging in the same logic h...Seems Peter Greene is engaging in the same logic he decries in his blog. He assumes all teachers (or the vast majority) are "effective" by merely standing on said X. There are under-performers in every profession. Why should it be different with teachers? That shouldn't be an insult to the important profession that education is. Teachers I know want greater accountability within the profession, more reviews, higher standards. They want to weed out the bad apples. If the unions policed their own members, and thinned their ranks of the worst of the worst, we would be having a different conversation. Let's raise the bar for minimum performance; that will be the best way to reward, compensate and encourage excellence among our teachers.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08181651994294350824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-48518641099274391332014-06-13T08:03:05.279-04:002014-06-13T08:03:05.279-04:00If Socrates, Buddha, or Confucious taught in the h...If Socrates, Buddha, or Confucious taught in the hood, they'd be deemed inefffective. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00507301983843265873noreply@blogger.com