tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post4784927761639632228..comments2024-03-28T19:47:39.985-04:00Comments on CURMUDGUCATION: Cheap or Excellent??Peter Greenehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16511193640285760299noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-55639136630041474002016-01-19T16:44:04.556-05:002016-01-19T16:44:04.556-05:00YES. Making a historical argument about the cost o...YES. Making a historical argument about the cost of educating children while ignoring IDEA is just...not somebody to be taken seriously. Thoruphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06920942947587151565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-36678777911649849552016-01-19T11:29:50.892-05:002016-01-19T11:29:50.892-05:00Here's Bruce Baker dealing with some of this s...Here's Bruce Baker dealing with some of this silliness. https://schoolfinance101.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/dumbest-real-reformy-graphs/ Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161465812581166166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-805620746812306832016-01-19T10:03:59.541-05:002016-01-19T10:03:59.541-05:00The other talking point that makes me simultaneous...The other talking point that makes me simultaneously cringe and want to pull my hair out is, 'How will we know how the kids are doing if we don't measure through testing?' As though nothing else has ever existed. I so appreciate your thoughtful pieces. Thank you.Christinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09035821692916431156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-40418639862774423712016-01-19T06:09:00.144-05:002016-01-19T06:09:00.144-05:00*slow clap* :-)*slow clap* :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-70998982895761795962016-01-19T01:11:20.153-05:002016-01-19T01:11:20.153-05:00Another great one, Peter.
Your thoughts here ar...Another great one, Peter. <br /><br />Your thoughts here are well-put and entertaining, but also totally obvious. That people like Melhorn can hold degrees from Stanford, Harvard and Yale and not get this is beyond belief. Which is why my opinion of many of these reformers has shifted. I used to think they were good-hearted but misguided. I can no longer believe they are that stupid, so I am pushed into believing that they are...um...not good-hearted, let's say.Dave Eckstromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13521336850803352134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-82711380137371684112016-01-18T22:48:04.729-05:002016-01-18T22:48:04.729-05:00Hanushek is often used as an extremely-well-paid &...Hanushek is often used as an extremely-well-paid "expert witness" in education-related court cases ... particularly those cases where corporate reform school officials / politicians need Hanushek to make the argument that we already spend enough money on education --- or that we actually are spending too much already.<br /><br />Jersey Jazzman wrote an article about just such a case, where a Colorado judge who blasted such testimony from Hanushek:<br /><br />http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com/2011/12/americas-best-judge.html<br /><br />----------------<br /><br />DENVER POST: <br /><br />"In declaring Colorado's school finance system 'significantly underfunded,' Denver District Judge Sheila Rappaport rejected virtually every argument presented by the state's star witnesses in a five-week trial this year over school funding levels. <br /><br />" ... "<br /><br />"A key witness for the state was Eric Hanushek, a scholar at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, who testified that repeated studies have shown no consistent relationship between levels of funding and achievement. He also testified that average funding per pupil in the United States quadrupled from 1960 to 2007, while performance essentially stayed flat. <br /><br />"But (Judge)Rappaport blistered Hanushek several times throughout her ruling. <br /><br /> " 'Dr. Hanushek's analysis that there is not much relationship in Colorado between spending and achievement contradicts testimony and documentary evidence from dozens of well-respected educators in the state, defies logic, and is statistically flawed,' the judge said, pointing to cases in which courts in other states 'found him to lack credibility.' "Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911854468188214107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-90109776755144969662016-01-18T22:47:55.605-05:002016-01-18T22:47:55.605-05:00Hanushek is often used as an extremely-well-paid &...Hanushek is often used as an extremely-well-paid "expert witness" in education-related court cases ... particularly those cases where corporate reform school officials / politicians need Hanushek to make the argument that we already spend enough money on education --- or that we actually are spending too much already.<br /><br />Jersey Jazzman wrote an article about just such a case, where a Colorado judge who blasted such testimony from Hanushek:<br /><br />http://jerseyjazzman.blogspot.com/2011/12/americas-best-judge.html<br /><br />----------------<br /><br />DENVER POST: <br /><br />"In declaring Colorado's school finance system 'significantly underfunded,' Denver District Judge Sheila Rappaport rejected virtually every argument presented by the state's star witnesses in a five-week trial this year over school funding levels. <br /><br />" ... "<br /><br />"A key witness for the state was Eric Hanushek, a scholar at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, who testified that repeated studies have shown no consistent relationship between levels of funding and achievement. He also testified that average funding per pupil in the United States quadrupled from 1960 to 2007, while performance essentially stayed flat. <br /><br />"But (Judge)Rappaport blistered Hanushek several times throughout her ruling. <br /><br /> " 'Dr. Hanushek's analysis that there is not much relationship in Colorado between spending and achievement contradicts testimony and documentary evidence from dozens of well-respected educators in the state, defies logic, and is statistically flawed,' the judge said, pointing to cases in which courts in other states 'found him to lack credibility.' "Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911854468188214107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-6988103692093127762016-01-18T22:14:28.992-05:002016-01-18T22:14:28.992-05:00Makes me think of something my dad always told cus...Makes me think of something my dad always told customers (he's a retired cabinetmaker/carpenter):<br />Good<br />Cheap<br />Fast<br />--choose two.11811https://www.blogger.com/profile/16009080115266206156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-66066275604300070682016-01-18T19:47:00.012-05:002016-01-18T19:47:00.012-05:00Another excellent righteous rant, Peter.
"ma...Another excellent righteous rant, Peter.<br /><br />"magical thinkers, conspiracy theorists, and cynical profiteers" Yes.<br /><br />And even though your post is mainly about what Dmitri said, I feel compelled to state once again my opinion that this totally clueless "expert" Eric Hanushek -- I'm totally stumped as to why anybody listens to him at all -- has done more damage to public education than almost anyone.Rebecca deCocahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13168718846105012814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-10948089392620640702016-01-18T18:53:35.648-05:002016-01-18T18:53:35.648-05:00In 1954, the society acceptable answer to a child ...In 1954, the society acceptable answer to a child with Down Syndrome was to put the child in a state hospital for life, tell everyone your baby died in childbirth, and try to ignore the fact that you just warehoused your own child in a place that almost made Victorian Bedlam look humane.<br /><br />There are a lot of things we don't do like that today, and you are absolutely correct - it cannot be done correctly AND cheaply.<br /><br />The dishonesty of the argument is breathtaking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-92224648618588415112016-01-18T18:36:11.926-05:002016-01-18T18:36:11.926-05:00As you may recall, Jersey Jazzman did a multi-part...As you may recall, Jersey Jazzman did a multi-part exchange with Dmitri Mehlhorn a few months ago. In my oh-so-humble opinion (ahem), that discussion was well beneath the Jazzman in the first round and he should have walked away. In addition to consistent willful ignorance, Mehlhorn proved himself mendacious by deliberately twisting what JJ said and then pretending that they were in agreement. Mehlhorn and his ilk should be ignored.Diennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570040547158789834noreply@blogger.com