tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post1730342971102233718..comments2024-03-29T04:34:05.185-04:00Comments on CURMUDGUCATION: St. Louis Schools Continue To CrumblePeter Greenehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16511193640285760299noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-82862601184517758122015-12-01T23:08:04.929-05:002015-12-01T23:08:04.929-05:00You can pretty much exchange "St. Louis"...You can pretty much exchange "St. Louis" with "Detroit" and the rest of the story stays exactly the same. Except that our white flight took place more than thirty years ago. There are teachers in our building with 5 or 6 years of experience and a Master's who are earning around $33,000. <br />Shameful shit...Detroit Fatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01939666260667369016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-18342582490044907062015-11-22T11:46:36.065-05:002015-11-22T11:46:36.065-05:00I was so grateful for Peter's post about this....I was so grateful for Peter's post about this.....I wondered about the white flight part...I studied the census reports from st. louis and chicago 2000 and 2010....I found that of 29,000 who left st. louis, more than ten thousand were children, and so many schools were closed in poor areas of the city, I assumed it was a lot of low income people who left....and wondered if they quietly feel good about improving demographics by the negativity towards public schools.....Chicago is even more exaggerated.....they had a minus 200,000, with 205,000 being children. kjoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02802238183707263910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-17164756062582338662015-11-22T10:50:20.760-05:002015-11-22T10:50:20.760-05:00Here's the state of TN & Mr. Michelle Rhe...Here's the state of TN & Mr. Michelle Rhee & Duncan's BFF, Kevin Huffman's show of teacher contempt:<br />Salary scale:<br />Base, 30,420<br />Years of experience w/ BS degree<br />1 - 5 Base + $570<br />6 - 10 Base + $3190<br />11 - 15 Base + $6585<br />Years of Experience w/ Masters<br />1 - 5 Base + $3415<br />6 - 10 Base + $7030<br />11 - 15 Base + $10,890<br />jcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02125479155068030956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-31235298904837833592015-11-21T12:16:18.506-05:002015-11-21T12:16:18.506-05:00Julie,
I would say the final nail in the coffin w...Julie,<br /><br />I would say the final nail in the coffin was when one quarter of the Normandy School District's students left the district when they were given the opportunity to go to a district 30 miles away. When the state tried to stuff them back into the district by making it non-accredited, those families sued to keep their children in the far away school district.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-51013171179557460082015-11-21T10:25:17.509-05:002015-11-21T10:25:17.509-05:00As I understand it, Missouri is set to require VAM...As I understand it, Missouri is set to require VAM beginning next year. That should be the final nail in the coffin of all the under-resourced urban districts. What will we get in return ? I'm guessing low-functioning charters that make money at the expense of urban kids -- and more layers of bureaucratic and political spin about "performance". The fact is we know how to create great schools, even in urban areas -- provide the resources to hire, support and retain the best staff possible, do NOT use VAM on them, or otherwise make it much more difficult for them to do their jobs, and make sure all administrators have sufficient experience as classroom teachers (hint: it's more than 2-3 years) that they can actually support and lead. The problem is that this is not what the establishment wants. Education in urban areas costs more, not less, but in places like St. Louis, less is what you get. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13115992679153894545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-84382307027234891302015-11-21T09:51:23.749-05:002015-11-21T09:51:23.749-05:00Teacher pay has been frozen in my district, too. B...Teacher pay has been frozen in my district, too. But did you know that if you leave for a year and return, you will be paid for your experience? Fun little quirk. They want people to leave.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15712186284543293308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-357674293745673412015-11-21T04:16:55.225-05:002015-11-21T04:16:55.225-05:00We do know where those students are going. Many ha...We do know where those students are going. Many have moved from St. Louis City to the communities in St. Louis County--Ferguson-Florissant, Normandy (the only fully UNaccredited district in Missouri), and similar communities--some do provide better educational opportunities. Some move into western Illinois to communities like East St. Louis and Belleville. Many districts, like the parts of St. Louis these students came from, are high-poverty areas. I don't see it as "racial cleansing," but rather a city that is actually crumbling. We have lost many corporations (and therefore jobs) in the past 3 decades. The city is in a declining spiral.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323605251782621832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-71395307694126816592015-11-21T04:11:07.026-05:002015-11-21T04:11:07.026-05:00Dienne, in 1973, the St. Louis teachers went on st...Dienne, in 1973, the St. Louis teachers went on strike despite the Missouri law that states teachers don't have the right to strike. The district went to court and the court issued an injunction against the teacher's union, ordering it to end the strike. The union leadership stated that out would defy the order and continue to strike. The court issued a finding of contempt, The union was fined $515,000, plus its president was fined $5,800 and sentenced to jail for 60 days. Meanwhile, an agreement was reached in negotiations. However, the district later took it to court, claiming that the agreement was not freely made--it was clear that the teachers would remain out on strike (illegally) until an agreement was reached. The court agreed with the district and voided the agreement. So, the strike accomplished nothingnexcept a large fine and jail time. Since this happened over 40 years ago, you can imagine how high the fine would be if a strike happens now. <br />Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323605251782621832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-77717807158415220342015-11-21T00:43:13.598-05:002015-11-21T00:43:13.598-05:00Two unrelated questions:
1. What exactly does it...Two unrelated questions:<br /><br />1. What exactly does it mean to say that striking is "illegal"? What can happen if people choose to strike anyway? Jail? Loss of license? Just curious. (Also curious how it's even Constitutional to outlaw striking, but that's a different matter, I suppose.)<br /><br />2. I keep hearing about more and more cities that are hemorrhaging residents, especially black residents. Has any research been done to figure out where these people are going? I know in Chicago a handful of inner suburbs have seen an uptick in population, but I don't think these places account for all of Chicago's black population loss. I'm guessing other cities are similar. Is there some sort of reverse Great Migration going on? Or, worse, is the country simply losing black population? How is this not being considered racial "cleansing"?Diennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570040547158789834noreply@blogger.com