tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post8374563211050550317..comments2024-03-27T08:53:29.267-04:00Comments on CURMUDGUCATION: The Free College ProblemPeter Greenehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16511193640285760299noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-31721619435807821032017-05-22T10:00:50.133-04:002017-05-22T10:00:50.133-04:00Cool!Cool!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16945480422986632992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-27785650324664520952015-12-21T09:10:20.841-05:002015-12-21T09:10:20.841-05:00Genuine piece of information.Genuine piece of information.Nickole Dinardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05435675622017105709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-50132658865211023692015-11-22T21:52:54.614-05:002015-11-22T21:52:54.614-05:00Madeleine,
If your exams do not help you asses le...Madeleine,<br /><br />If your exams do not help you asses learning by your students, perhaps you are using the wrong exams. If your exam results do not conform to your assessment of student learning, perhaps you should reexamine your non-exam based assessments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-87285152285152596722015-11-20T16:31:29.882-05:002015-11-20T16:31:29.882-05:00BSTs measure the ability to test well, a useful en...BSTs measure the ability to test well, a useful enough skill, though incidentally it isn't especially interesting to teachers (in fact, it's an embuggerance – it's much harder to assess learning when your students are deft test-takers). <br /><br />But the important point is that poor students are much less likely to be good at tests than better-off ones. And BSTs don’t shed any light on that. <br /><br />So - when you hear that a particular school gets great BST results, this means only that it's in a good neighborhood. And we can find this kind of thing out without imposing endless demands on students. <br /><br />Madeleinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16055922376249533020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-6887725590051869222015-11-20T13:16:27.367-05:002015-11-20T13:16:27.367-05:00Madeleine,
The post below this one concludes that...Madeleine,<br /><br />The post below this one concludes that "...this research does stand as one more data point regarding standardized tests and their ability to measure SES far better than they measure anything else." <br /><br />The post here points out that standardized tests appear to do a good job of measuring the traits that will enable any student, no matter their income level, to graduate from college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-5550179852084936042015-11-20T12:19:06.445-05:002015-11-20T12:19:06.445-05:00I don't understand the contradiction. Yes, poo...I don't understand the contradiction. Yes, poor kids who are good at tests are much more likely to graduate college than poor kids who aren't - no surprise. But well-off kids are much more likely to be good at tests overall.Madeleinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16055922376249533020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-51562438764212371702015-11-20T06:19:49.825-05:002015-11-20T06:19:49.825-05:00Thanks for sharing such a very informative post
sc...Thanks for sharing such a very informative post<br /><a href="http://www.ijtra.com/current_issue.php" rel="nofollow">scientific research publishing</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13627285726857394018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-67381290581457377652015-11-19T18:09:21.007-05:002015-11-19T18:09:21.007-05:00I should add that there is an interesting contrast...I should add that there is an interesting contrast between this post and the previous post. If test scores simply measure SES status (as the last post suggested), shouldn't we see that low income students graduate at the same low rate no matter their score on mathematics tests and high income students graduate at the same high rate independent no matter their score on mathematics tests?<br /><br />Instead of seeing no relationship, we see that relatively poor students scoring in the highest quartile on standardized math exams graduate from college at over 8 times the rate of relatively poor students scoring in the lowest quartile on those exams and relatively wealthy students in the highest quartile on standardized math exams graduate at a little under 4 times the rate of relatively wealthy students in the lowest quartile.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-82632377061769786202015-11-19T17:42:15.375-05:002015-11-19T17:42:15.375-05:00If anyone is interested in the attempts to estimat...If anyone is interested in the attempts to estimate the returns to education and the issues that make this difficult can look here: http://theunbrokenwindow.com/Higher%20Ed/Higher%20Ed%20Course/Empirical%20Tools%20,%20Econometrics-%20Facts%20and%20Data%20Issues/Econometric%20Issues%20in%20Higher%20Education.pdf<br /><br />My biggest problem with paying for education using general tax funds is that with any politically plausible tax structure and the social structure of post secondary education it involves a transfer of resources from the relatively poor to the relatively rich.<br /><br />Dienne,<br /><br />One of the papers cited in the link above (Dale, S., Krueger, A., 2002. Estimating the payo4 to attending a more selective college: an application of<br />selection on unobservables. Quarterly Journal of Economics 117, 1491–1528.) compares students accepted at highly selective universities but who ended up attending less selective universities (like the one where I teach) to those who attended the highly selective universities. They found that there was a significant gain for minority students and students from relatively poor households to attending the highly selective private university but there was no gain to majority students who did not come from poor households. The authors speculate that the connections made an elite college are not as important to relatively wealthy white students as they are to relatively poor African-Americans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-89501359120627023372015-11-19T15:11:39.637-05:002015-11-19T15:11:39.637-05:00"We can talk about how hard it is for poor st..."We can talk about how hard it is for poor students to finish college, but data suggests that middle class students have a lousy completion rate as well."<br /><br />So mostly rich kids finish college. How much of that is because they are more likely to have what it takes to finish college (whether academic or other skills), and how much is because rich parents can hint about the size of the donation they'd like to make if only Junior's grades were higher?<br /><br />Also, how much of the value of a college education comes from the connections made there? Which, of course, would naturally be greater for rich kids attending elite schools than for poor kids attending For Profit U? College is often just the junior version of the golf course.Diennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570040547158789834noreply@blogger.com