tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post8237367622424071540..comments2024-03-27T08:53:29.267-04:00Comments on CURMUDGUCATION: What Happens After You Blow It All UpPeter Greenehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16511193640285760299noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-78111442151504282692015-10-04T06:03:18.417-04:002015-10-04T06:03:18.417-04:00Oooo, cynical. But you must be right because nothi...Oooo, cynical. But you must be right because nothing else makes any sense.<br /><br />This sense of corruption in all things politic is what makes people pro Bernie.Rebecca deCocahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13168718846105012814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-31959340546258331322015-10-04T01:33:24.766-04:002015-10-04T01:33:24.766-04:00Dear Commentators:
Well, in three years Miss Lill...Dear Commentators:<br /><br />Well, in three years Miss Lilly will no longer have a job. Where will she go after being a Teacher Union President? No corporation will have her. She's probably not interested in that Cincinnatus thing, going back to her 6th grade class in Utah. Who knows? Perhaps if Hillary wins, she'll remember her pal Miss Lilly and find a place for her.Leilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02447044081130341196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-80207648676485206222015-10-04T00:10:48.232-04:002015-10-04T00:10:48.232-04:00Maybe you should do a parallel post on what the NE...Maybe you should do a parallel post on what the NEA will do after blowing it up. I just got an email from Lily E-G telling me how wonderful the "democratic" decision of an early endorsement of Hillary is. I'm so mad I can't see straight. I may just retire so I don't have to pay the NEA any more dues (after 26 years worth!).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577518836974769716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-11352618160611493842015-10-03T07:42:10.227-04:002015-10-03T07:42:10.227-04:00A frequent commenter on Diane's blog, Chiara, ...A frequent commenter on Diane's blog, Chiara, speculates that the whole reason these tycoons are preying on education and other public sector goods is that they've already cannibalized everything in the private sector. Going after the public sector is an admission that they have no further innovation or anything new to offer. They don't create wealth for anybody; all they can do is feed off of what little bit of weath remains,Diennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570040547158789834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-18606823657458371052015-10-02T21:00:36.400-04:002015-10-02T21:00:36.400-04:00@Rebecca,
Well, yeah, I have no argument Rebecca....@Rebecca,<br /><br />Well, yeah, I have no argument Rebecca. What is going to happen is there will be a drained -dry system of educating the next bunch of young people. I'm thinking that in my community, I could help.<br /><br />When I taught out on the Reservation, there was a teacher who taught students their Native Language. She was old, and frail. She taught as long as she could. One would frequently see her going from one class to the next. She had a walker. A student carried her materials. Slow going. Teaching the little ones their culture was her pleasure.<br /><br />I'm retired. I'm trying to save my materials. If I have to, I will undergo the pain and indignity of this teacher to home school my progeny, and maybe some neighbor children. Teaching little ones their culture will be my pleasure. Maybe in a context of Art...<br /><br />That's my plan. Every time I think about bridge, shuffleboard, or golf, I can't imagine me doing that. I'm thinking this home-school job will just fall upon me, if I'm lucky. <br /><br />LeilaLeilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02447044081130341196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-57216429022939090132015-10-02T19:16:31.375-04:002015-10-02T19:16:31.375-04:00Wow, Mr. Peabody, you really did fail literature c...Wow, Mr. Peabody, you really did fail literature class. <br /><br />(1) What Peter writes is not "tongue-in-cheek". A "tongue-in-cheek" statement is one that is not meant to be taken seriously. What Peter does is use irony, analogy, and satire to shed light on serious topics. He is not making light of serious topics, which is what the panelists were doing.<br /><br />(2) Public schools are not known for corruption; they suffer from neglect. At any rate, replacing something with something that is not any better is not a solution. Any problems that exist are not allowed to be truly addressed in the current climate.<br /><br />(3 No, the Titanic should have steered away from the icebergs. We need solutions that will save everyone. And the lifeboats are taking students to other ships that are not any more seaworthy.<br /><br />(4) None of the people who are advocates of the charter system in its present guise has taught very many years in K-12. Rebecca deCocahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13168718846105012814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-51201739395893575952015-10-02T18:42:30.899-04:002015-10-02T18:42:30.899-04:00Nah, once they suck education dry they'll just...Nah, once they suck education dry they'll just go looking for some other "business opportunity" to leech onto. Eventually, though, the anarcho-corporatists are going to end up with nothing left to prey on.Rebecca deCocahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13168718846105012814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-56471611184128658672015-10-02T18:00:53.036-04:002015-10-02T18:00:53.036-04:00Dear Mr. Greene:
Well, yes. The panelists have di...Dear Mr. Greene:<br /><br />Well, yes. The panelists have discovered what we have all known for a while: to publicly educate a child? It takes a millage. (Oh...oh...SO SORRY!)<br /><br />Seriously, you are right that Mr. Smarick is trying introduce the idea that change sometimes has unintended consequences, and we could hope this was a take-away for some of the panelists- that not everything that can be done should be done.<br /><br />Sometimes I think the whole larger reform group has never read the story of The Goose That Laid Golden Eggs. They think they have figured out how to get all the gold. They think the public will continue to pay property taxes into charter schools as it becomes more and more obvious that a lot of the money bypasses the students and any expensive needs that they have and goes right to the salaries of the CEOs and Board Members. When it is very obvious that students are getting the cheap end of the stick, and the corporation isn't responsive, won't folks be up for something different? In AZ there are retirement communities that don't have any schools or pay school taxes. Maybe the home schoolers will ally politically with the retired folks and do away with the whole school system as we now know it, charters and all, by de-funding it at every level. <br /><br />Presumably this group would argue that this was taking their "Knocking Out Yesterday's Education Models," idea way too far. <br /><br />Leila Leilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02447044081130341196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-2568135913516378912015-10-02T13:23:34.792-04:002015-10-02T13:23:34.792-04:00You think this blog is "tongue-in-cheek"...You think this blog is "tongue-in-cheek"? Guess you failed your literature class, didn't you?<br /><br />How long did McShane teach high school? How did he arrive at that position in the first place? TFA? And what does a master's or even a PhD in policy have to do with education? Diennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04570040547158789834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-35367701902707470972015-10-02T12:11:12.538-04:002015-10-02T12:11:12.538-04:00Let's address a few quotes from the article.
...Let's address a few quotes from the article. <br /><br />"If you watch it, I will warn you that the most disconcerting thing about the whole discussion is the jaunty, breezy, jolly, jokey tone of the whole business."<br />Says the author of a tongue-in-cheek style blog.<br /><br />" Second, they are experiments, and not very successful ones, at that, having not yet figured out how to stop some charters from being Ohio-style nests of incompetence and corruption."<br />By your standard, the traditional public school sector is also a failed experiment. They have incompetence and corruption as well. So if that is the standard you want to use, current system fails too.<br /><br />"That's unfortunate, because one of the hugest problem with charters so far is that when disaster strikes, they only save some students and leave the rest behind in the middle of a disaster that the charters themselves have made even worse."<br />So everyone should have gone down with the Titanic?<br /><br />And from the comments:<br />"I really wish these people would talk to actual teachers, principals, people who actually work at a school district, or even experts on finance and policy."<br />Have you checked all their backgrounds? Some of them do have experience. The moderator states McShane was a high school teacher. BTW, if you do look at their backgrounds, several of these people either have master's or PhD in policy. <br /> Mr. Peabodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17566741638775102192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-34342474126286307022015-10-01T19:50:31.097-04:002015-10-01T19:50:31.097-04:00Well, it certainly has been thoroughly blown up in...Well, it certainly has been thoroughly blown up in my neck of the woods. Yet IN keeps doubling down as it erases the "complexity formula" funding and moves to a flat per-capita funding model to restore "fairness." IN had been one of the more progressive states in this regard, but no longer. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05168566567751854277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-551763945224069672015-10-01T18:48:24.328-04:002015-10-01T18:48:24.328-04:00Peter, that was a wonderful conclusion to a worthy...Peter, that was a wonderful conclusion to a worthy post. As I was reading, all I could think was this: the reformers have no idea what will happen when they get the "system" they seem to crave. They don't know how or if it would work. And with rare exceptions, I don't think they really care. They are ideologues. True believers. Theory trumps reality.<br /><br />As a comparison, I think about how people should behave but I'll be damned if they aren't so illogical or unpredictable.<br /><br />I'd almost guarantee that any new system will resemble the old system given just a few years. Hell, charters around me aren't doing anything different. They just have more power to control who is in the student body. I find it interesting that they are dismissive about the student and family realities themselves. As if changing schools isn't disruptive to children and families.lateralushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10870256979297807637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-50533790673466738882015-10-01T16:55:40.004-04:002015-10-01T16:55:40.004-04:00In addition to espousing generally tone-deaf and m...In addition to espousing generally tone-deaf and mean spirited views, Rebecca Sibilia is also wrong about property taxes sucking. They are more stable than the source of state funding for education (income taxes) and state funds are often not distributed to poorer districts. See here:<br /><br />https://schoolfinance101.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/friday-finance-101-on-parfaits-property-taxes/<br /><br />And here:<br />https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/StealthInequities.pdf<br /><br />The solution is the right mix of federal, state, and local funds. Or guaranteeing federal funds regardless of the economy. I really wish these people would talk to actual teachers, principals, people who actually work at a school district, or even experts on finance and policy. So frustratingAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14592350119719894453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6534665086749553287.post-61449786347817193782015-10-01T14:43:37.273-04:002015-10-01T14:43:37.273-04:00Yet another post that literally has me blinking ba...Yet another post that literally has me blinking back tears as I see more of what's behind the dismantling of what I too held so dear but had to leave.CrunchyMamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434606158400653601noreply@blogger.com